Obamacare is already the law. Has been for three years.
There is nothing to negotiate.
That doesn’t stop Republicans (or Not-Republicans?) from
repeating easily debunked Republican talking points. And this guy is precious.
He’ll be in the next blog post, too. That one’s going to be even more fun.
For me.
Anyway, enjoy…
Iva
Seriously!!
Stewart On Obamacare: 'IT'S A F**KING LAW'
Porkins
Prohibition was also a law at one point. [The people were against Prohibition. The people are for Obamacare.]
Iva
flawed argument Porkins - EVERYONE loves booze! no need for
partisan bullshit
Porkins
Everyone loves freedom as well. This diminishes our freedom
to make the choices of health care and insurance for ourselves. [Responds with 100% partisan bullshit.]
Iva
Please do not sully my wall with your self-serving
"freedom" argument Porkins... ridiculous.
Porkins
It isn't self serving whatsoever. I have health insurance
and an HSA. I am good to go
Iva
No Porkins - self-serving to your own argument is what I
said. and how wonderful that you have health insurance... so do I. I just
happen to think that everyone should have it. [The entire point of Obamacare.]
Bill Mancuso
Obviously, Mr. Porkins, you must give up your health
insurance and HSA since your freedom is diminished. Or do you contradict
yourself since you do not know what you are talking about since you're just
repeating rhetorical talking points and haven't actually looked into what you're
so confidently spouting about nonsensically?
Porkins
Or Bill, I am talking about the freedom that so many others
will find diminished by being forced to either purchase the product of health
insurance or face a fine/tax from the Federal Government for choosing not to.
Nonsense?
Bill Mancuso
You keep using the word "freedom." OK. The freedom
for me to pay for people who don't have health insurance is being diminished.
The freedom for people who don't purchase health insurance being fined so that
money can be applied to keeping health costs down so I don't have to pay as
much for their refusal to pay for their own care is being diminished.
You have the freedom to purchase any health care plan you
want. You have the freedom to choose your doctor. You have the freedom to
willingly take care of yourself.
And you have the freedom to throw around "patriotic
rhetoric" that has nothing to do with health care just to fear-monger
people into following what you're saying. And I have the freedom to point out
that it's nonsense.
[I don't know why I didn't say, "You keep using the word 'freedom.' I do not think it means what you think it means."]
Porkins
Should people be forced to purchase products because they
legally exist in this country or face penalties from the Federal Government?
Bill Mancuso
That is a valid argument. And I agree with you, we should
have socialized medicine. But, as of now, we do not. Someone's refusal or
inability to take care of their health directly affects me, so they should be
penalized so it affects me less. The Republican plan, now known as Obamacare,
is not great, but it's a good start. Instead of trying to get rid of it and
replace it with nothing, Republicans should try to work on making it better.
Porkins
They have but Harry Reid openly refuses to sit at the table.
They have tried 45 times prior to this. [I haven't the slightest fucking idea where that '45 times' comes from. Unless he means 42 times and thinks voting 42 times to repeal Obamacare equals 'sitting at the table' to work toward a compromise.] Even now they aren't looking to take it
apart. They are simply looking to delay the individual mandate and asking the
Admin to join the exchanges. Harry Reid and Senate Dems voted it down.
Bill Mancuso
You are repeating a lie. Republicans are not trying to work
with Democrats. They only vote to repeal it. 42 times now. Then they lie that
Democrats won't work with them. Work with them on what, exactly? The Obamacare
bill was passed by a majority in both the House and Senate. The President
signed it. It was upheld as Constitutional by the Supreme Court. The majority
of Americans re-elected the President who ran on his signature health care
bill. It is the law of the land. Defunding it is considered "working
across the aisle?" Repealing it is considered "working across the
aisle?" Delaying it is considered "working across the aisle?"
What fantasyland do Republicans live in? Republicans had a chance to work with
Democrats three years ago but chose not to. Now, it's the law, and they want to
do everything they can to get rid of it. That's not compromise. That's
obstruction. Now, like a child throwing a temper tantrum because they didn't
get what they want, they shut down the government - because they know it will
be popular - just like it is in Massachusetts where Romney implemented it to
high praise. If they really thought it would be bad, they'd quietly leave it
alone, then let the people be upset by it and vote to get rid of it. But they
know it will be popular, which will be a political win for the Democrats, and
they don't want that to happen. All they're left with now is the political
fallout from shutting down the government.
Porkins
Obama has granted many exemptions with regards to the ACA.
The Republicans in the House have asked for one more. To allow individuals to
avoid the mandate on them. Simple. The Senate Dems want special treatment for
Corporations and Unions and don't want the same treatment for average
americans.
Bill Mancuso
You really are caught up in the right-wing cyclone of
nonsense, aren't you? The one-year exemptions are for Corps & Unions that
have demonstrated that the costs would be higher under the ACA due to the large
number of employees/members they cover. This gives a year for them to work with
the administration to iron out the kinks - it being a brand new law and all. Delaying
it for individuals is pointless. It just gives Republicans another year to put
out lie-filled ads to scare people from joining up - which is their whole
entire agenda - preventing people from getting affordable health care to the
tune of a Democratic political victory. Any other Republican lie you need
correcting?
Porkins
That is complete nonsense. Delaying a mandate doesn't
prevent one from joining an exchange. The only thing preventing someone from
joining an exchange is the website not working today.
Bill Mancuso
If you don't have fear of a penalty, you are more likely to
delay joining the exchange. Not complete nonsense. That tactic isn't rocket
surgery to figure out. And as far as the website not working, A) It's from so
many people trying to join up or learn about it in states where Republican
governors have obstructed as much information about it as possible - like my
state. And No worries, you have through March to sign up. You don't have to do
it today. Nothing prevented, so also not complete nonsense.
Porkins
Big government ideas, Ideas so great they have to be
mandatory.
Bill Mancuso
Heh. Clever.
Porkins
And true :)
[Yes. Totally true. If you don't think about it.]
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Later, Iva posted an article about the government shutdown. Porkins returned and there was a long argument between him and someone else. I
missed the first 10 hours, but all he did was to just repeat the same argument I had with
him above. Here are my comments at the tail end…
1- He is not a Republican, he just only listens to and
repeats Republican talking points and never, under any circumstances does any
research into them. 2- About the 17 shutdowns: It’s true, but here’s the
context: The 15 Democratic shutdowns were for reasons, were not planned and
were not always because opposite Parties were fighting. Sometimes it was Dems
vs. Dems. The 2 Republican ones (’95-’96 & the current one) were because
Republican feelings were hurt and were angry Democrats were in charge. Here is
the big headline from the ’95-’96 shutdown:
Three Presidents, Clinton, Papa Bush and Carter sat in front
of Air Force One on the way to & from slain Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin’s funeral in Jerusalem. Gingrich and Bob Dole sat in the back. Gingrich
is a self-centered, egotistical bitch, so he shut down the government.
And as for the current situation, Republicans have been gleefully
planning this shutdown since before they gained control of the House in 2010.
That’s right, this shutdown is because Obama is black. Let’s stop pretending
it’s anything other than that.
Rachel Maddow explains their plan in detail. You don’t have
to listen to anything that lefty liberal libtard libby lib lib tardy gay lib,
Maddow says. Just check out all the video footage & articles & Tweets
of Republicans planning to shut the government down for the last three years.
And being quite happy about it:
Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
“There is no mirror image between the two major Parties. There is only one major Party of the two that strives for control in government specifically because that is the place from which you can hurt government the worst.”
Scumbags.
Next up is the debt ceiling crisis that Republicans have
also been planning. Republicans have been screaming about “out-of-control
spending” by Democrats since forever. They keep screaming about how Obama has
increased our deficit. Screaming the loudest doesn’t mean you’re correct.
Note: Obama promised to cut the deficit in half by the end
of his first term. He did not. The right-wing media exploded, went on a
never-ending diatribe for months calling Obama a liar. And a Muslim, too, but
that’s just for racist reasons and not relevant here, so why did you bring it
up? Anyway, the largest recession since the Great Depression and 100%
Republican obstructionism contributed to Obama’s failure to keep his campaign
promise. That said, it took Obama six extra months to cut it in half. Right–wing media never mentioned it again, but that doesn’t stop Republobotomy
recipients from still believing it. The last thing they heard was Obama didn’t
do it, so he didn’t do it. Their media never updated them with the latest
information, so they’re stuck in outdated information because they never do any
research on their own. “Obama didn’t cut the deficit in half” will be the
“fact” to them forever and ever and ever, Amen. If you prove them wrong, you’re
liberally biased. Case closed. Shut up. De-friended. Blocked. Nyah!
That ^ is a libertarian/conservative website.
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Rescued Baby Hummingbird
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