The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka,
“Obamacare” is not a health insurance plan. It’s a fucking law. The “Patient
Protection” part does things like end lifetime caps, so the insurance company
can’t cut off your care while you’re in the middle of a cancer treatment
program. It got rid of pre-existing conditions, so an insurance company can’t refuse to cover you if you’re shopping
for insurance but you have diabetes. The “Affordable Care” part created a
marketplace for health insurance corporations to compete for your patronage,
naturally lowering costs. New taxes on individuals making over $200,000
(families & corporations making over $250,000) will also help to cover the
cost of insuring more people. Plus other taxes. http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php
And 85% of Americans won’t see a tax increase at all. Also, the health
insurance you purchased through the ACA has a tax that goes to help fund the
ACA. My platinum plan that I purchased through the federal exchange (because
Georgia Republicans hate people and refused to implement a state exchange),
which includes that tax, is still only $300 per month – and that’s without any
subsidies. Not remotely possible to afford as a self-employed individual before
the ACA. I’m happy to help others afford health care. It may not be mentioned
it in the Constitution, but neither were cars or cell phones. And a million
other things. If you don’t view health care (& welfare) as a human right,
then you’re just a selfish prick.
More ranting after the jump, then on to the fun part.
Enjoy…
The ACA didn’t raise your rates, your insurance company was
providing you with a cheap-ass plan that covered nothing. Now, you have a real
plan that actually covers you. Of course it will cost more, it’s a real plan.
The ACA didn’t kick you off your plan, your insurance company was forced to
cancel that fake plan that didn’t cover anything, but was just stealing your
money in return for nothing. The ACA didn’t force your employer to cut your
hours or stop providing you with a health plan – your employer is an asshole.
The Republican-devised ACA isn’t the greatest idea for
health care, by far, but at least it’s a start. Single-payer or a public option
would have been infinitely better. As it stands, there are two options moving
forward:
Work to improve it.
or
Work to sabotage it. And in the process, fuck the citizens
it’s supposed to help in order to take political credit away from Obama. To you
I say: Fuck you, Republicans. Why don’t you waste another $50 million taxpayer
dollars, as fiscally responsible as you claim to be, by holding another 40 fake
symbolic base-pandering repeal votes that you know won’t have any affect. Except to raise money for
yourselves. Selfish, self-centered assholes.
Okay, now that I've gotten all that out...
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Mary
They should all refuse.
Denny
Bravo!!!!! I hope it's true [because
I’m a hateful, ignorant asshole.]
Jingleheimer Schmidt
I would like to see more of these signs at all healthcare
locations [because I’m a hateful, ignorant asshole,
too!]
Bill Mancuso
Hm. I had 34 insurance plans to choose from. 4 different
insurance corporations were competing for my money in true capitalist fashion.
No health, financial (unless also applying for a subsidy) or private
information needed.
I can, for a verifiable, undeniable, irrefutable fact, call
"bullshit" on this meme.
Plus, Obamacare is a law, not an insurance plan. The doctor
can't say, "I'm going to break the law." And, how would the doctor
know if you bought your Blue Cross plan by going to the Blue Cross website
directly or went to the health care exchange website and then clicked a link to
the Blue Cross website?
And, everyone's health care insurance in America is
protected under Obamacare, whether or not you purchased it through an exchange.
This whole meme is mentally deficient.
Mary
It's a law which one can opt out of. Many top notch
hospitals are opting out. Many people as well, once they're realizing that
opting out and paying the penalty is still much cheaper for them. [True. Not having any insurance is cheaper than having
insurance. However, only people listening to Republican politicians are opting out. Those people are stupid. They are refusing health care and choosing to die penniless because Republicans don't want to let Obama have a political win. Yes, dying to prevent a politician's political win is stupid. With a capital 'fucking.'] I have 26 plans available to me, all of which have
astronomical costs, copays, deductibles and out of pocket expenses.
....and they DID ask for my gross income. [Because you applied for a subsidy, as I said.]
[Actually, I went back to
Healthcare.gov. If you explore your plan options, you must give an estimate of
how much you think you’ll make in the coming year and the site automatically
checks to see if you’re eligible for a subsidy. You still don’t need to provide
any specific personal or financial information. Well, your Social Security #,
but…]
Bill Mancuso
So, you're saying the 30 million people who couldn't get
health insurance before will only be able to have it now, but not be able to go
to ALL hospitals, so NO insurance coverage is better than A LOT BUT NOT ALL
insurance coverage? And the 270 million people who are NOT purchasing through
Obamacare exchanges NOT being affected at all is a problem how?
I didn't need to give my income. Regardless, how is telling
the government your income in order to get health care different than telling
the government your income every year anyway for tax purposes?
Will you next tell me you don't want to give the government
the Social Security number the government issued you for the specific purpose
of proving you are who you say you are to the government because the SS# the
government issued you is private?
Like I've said in the past - this health care plan that the
Republicans came up with in 1989 and pushed for 20 years and Romney implemented in
Massachusetts in 2006 and Obama implemented in the whole country and has been
in effect for three years now and has already saved countless lives and savings
accounts is not perfect, but it's a start. Personally, I'd rather have had
socialized health care, single-payer or a public option. But hey, when Democrats
thought the Republicans would accept their own plan, who knew just how much
they hated Obama to begin with?
And the reason Hospitals are opting out is not because of a
political dig at Obama. They're opting out because the hospitals that have only
one company in their network are "unwilling to negotiate sustainable
contract terms," as New Hampshire's Concord Hospital CEO and president
Michael B. Green explained. So, again, it's insurance companies trying to screw
people. Not Obamacare.
[I couldn’t really comment on her
“astronomical costs, copays, deductibles and out of pocket expenses.” My own
experience would indicate that that is a lie, (“costs” being a redundant term
added to fill out the list so it seems worse) but based on the Concord Hospital
situation, the insurance company may be screwing her.
UPDATE: I went to Healthcare.gov
and checked her options for her age, state & county. There were 26 plans
ranging from $286/mo up to $600/mo. Same basic choices as me. Most of her
choices were around the $400 mark (mine were around $300). Deductibles ranged
from $1,300 - $2,500 for those plans. Out-of-Pocket maximums ranged from $4,500
- $6,300. Co-pays were all 20%, just like most insurance plans. I guess
“astronomical” is a subjective term. I believe $4,800/year for a Silver plan is
decent - “affordable” even - especially compared to Premiums, Deductibles &
Out of Pocket maximums BEFORE Obamacare. But I expected the right-wing
viewpoint to be skewed toward the negative anyway. I forgot to ask why her
employer isn’t covering her. She shouldn’t need to use Obamacare anyway. Unless
her employer is screwing her with shitty insurance costs & coverage and is
investigating the ACA on her own.]
Mary
Of course I would gladly give up my ss # to the government.....duh.
I'm not a fucking idiot, Mancuso. YOU stated "No private information
required"......... I was only rebutting what came out of your mouth. I
never said I had any issue providing them with my income....... stop putting
words in my mouth like usual. I rebut one thing you state and you argue 8 more
things. I DO, however have an issue with the cost. I'm considered middle
class.......I make too much money to be eligible for medicaid or any tax credit
if I were to sign up, yet I simply cannot afford ANY of the plans offered to
me. Tell me how that's fair. Come on, Mancuso!
.....the whole program caters to low income people. More
government hand outs that the middle and upper class will suffer for. What ever
happened to working for what you get out of life??
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Mrs. Kolchak
Mancuso....take a moment to breath...and accept
responsibility for the koolaid that you drink.
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The Partisans : VICTIMS of OBAMACARE
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Bill Mancuso
Mrs. Kolchak…. Ad Hominem: Attacking the speaker and not
what he is saying. When someone resorts to this method, they most likely cannot
defend their position. This only half-applies to you, since you never actually
took an original position that you are not able to defend. You just waltzed in
and directly attacked me personally.
Mary - Did you not
read the meme you posted? I was responding to your post. I guess I should not have assumed you
agreed with what you posted, so that's on me. Sorry. And you may have been
rebutting what I said, but I rebutted your butt first. Wait, what?
[Seriously.
Do Conservatives ever read anything past the shiny part? I’m guessing she
didn’t notice anything beyond the Obama logo and “WILL NOT ACCEPT OBAMACARE.”]
I, too, am
considered middle class and do not qualify for Medicaid or subsidies. I was
offered plans ranging from $200/mo up to $600/mo. Copays at 20%, deductibles
ranging from $0 - $6,000, out-of-pocket from $1,000 - $6,500. Are you looking
on the correct website, or one of the fake ones Republicans are setting up to
intentionally screw people?
By the way, both
high deductibles and the mandate were part of the original Republican plan that
the Democrats incorporated into the ACA in 2010. In 1989, the Conservative
think-tank, The Heritage Foundation, adapted Richard Nixon’s plan from 1974. To
repeat facts, as opposed to Kool-Aid mutterings - in 1993, Republicans offered
it as the free-market solution to Hillarycare. In 2006, Republican Governor
Romney actually implemented it in Massachusetts to still high praise. In 2010,
Obama signed their plan into law thinking there wouldn’t be too much opposition
to it since it’s their plan. Democrats would have preferred single-payer or
public option, but like Democrats usually do,
they pussied out of proposing their own plan. Who ever thought Republicans
would reject their own plan? It would be considered “drinking the Kool-Aid” to
deny these facts.
The whole point of
the program is to cater to low-income people. The upper class is not suffering,
the lower class is. Yes, the middle class is increasingly suffering as well,
but not because of poor people. Million and billion dollar profit corporations
(and people) not only have made 95% of the income since the economy crashed in
2007, but they pay little or no taxes and are also subsidized fantastically
more than the poor. All while the middle class is shrinking. Rich people are
telling middle-class people to blame poor people to distract from the fact the
rich are stealing from everyone.
What ever happened to
being fairly compensated for your work?
Mrs. Kolchak
It was a joke. Sorry if that offended you. It was not meant
as a personal attack. It was merely a statement. An opinion. And I am not
affiliated with a party. [Don’t know why she brought
that up. I never accused her of being affiliated with a party. Speaking from
experience, when someone needlessly volunteers that information, they support
and defend Republican positions and are against Democratic positions 100% of
the time. On the flip side, presenting facts about Obamacare does not mean I’m
a Democrat. It just means I’m presenting the facts – without bias. But since
I’m not bashing this Democratic President-signed policy, obviously it means I’m
a Kool-Aid drinking, bleeding-heart Libral. Unlike my open-minded, nonpartisan
friend, here.] But I don't agree with this healthcare and am tired
of people trying to "convince" me that I should be okay with
something that raised my insurance rates for no reason other than to cover
people who can't afford insurance... [Obamacare
didn’t raise your rates, insurance companies are screwing you. But you’d have
to pay the fuck attention to know that.] yet when I didn't have it.
They wouldn't help me at all because I had potential to make income..and
yes...that is exactly what i was told.... [Again,
your insurance company told you that, a legislative act didn’t tell you that. And when you didn't have insurance and no one would help you (you mean socialism?): how was that Obamacare's fault, since it hasn't started yet? (This discussion took place mid December 2013.)]
it was a statement to say that while your opinion is valuable and represents
your particular circumstance, one size does not fit all and I see your
continual opinion on posts that seem to fit your circumstances and not
necessarily the reality that others have
[My “continual opinion posts?”
A.) Rarely do I ever argue my opinions in these posts. I correct lies with
facts. Just like in this post. The only opinion I’ve offered is that Obamacare
is not the best plan, but it’s a start. B.) I’ve never encountered you before.
It’s nice to see you’ve been “continually” stalking me in silence.]
Bill Mancuso
Your personal attack on me was a joke. Ok. When you said
‘just accept being wrong because you’re brainwashed,’ you were simply saying
‘your opinion is valuable.’ My mistake. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
But you're right. My opinion doesn’t apply to everyone.
Thing is, I didn’t state any opinions. I rarely do. I didn’t try to “convince”
you of anything. All I did was present facts. I’m not going to repeat them a
third time for you to ignore. You can scroll up and re-ignore them for
yourself. Which one of the facts that I presented do you believe aren’t facts?
I would be happy to discuss it with you. Although, it’s difficult to believe
you’re open-minded when you join a conversation by stating I’ve been
brainwashed. Oh, right – that was a joke. Ha ha.
I never said Mary now has affordable health care. I guess
you and Mary fall into the 1.8% of people whose insurance rates are going up.
It’s too bad you aren’t part of the 30 million+ other people whose rates are
affordable. At least you’re not part of the 26 million that will still not be
able to have any insurance. If only the Democrats put forward their own plan
instead of this Republican one, maybe you’d be able to get affordable rates,
too. Obamacare isn’t the greatest, but it’s a start. Instead of trying to
sabotage it for political points (and screw millions of Americans in the
process), Republicans should try to help make it better – like the Democrats
did with the Republicans’ disastrous Medicare D roll-out in 2006.
When you didn’t have health insurance and no one would help
you, was this before or after the implementation of Obamacare? Your statement
is unclear.
Were you ok that your taxes had always covered uninsured
people, or just now that Obamacare does it as well?
[I never expected an answer to
those questions.]
And are you sure
you're not just being scammed by the insurance corporations?
[Just trying to help.]
One last thing: If
that were a real sign from
a real hospital, it would
have said WILL NOT ACCEPT PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. Not the
nickname, OBAMACARE. And it wouldn’t need the political Obama logo to make sure
the point got across. (I’m surprised it didn’t have a line through it and said
“Nobamacare.”) And if it were actually in a hospital, it probably wouldn’t need
a picture of a surgeon just to make sure the reader knew where he was. And it
certainly wouldn’t lie about the health, financial and private information
requirements.
***** ***** *****
Of course, Mary used
the interruption by Mrs. Kolchak to
bow out of the discussion. That happens a lot, using an interruption to get out
of answering my questions.
The YouToons Get Ready
for Obamacare
Watch now as Li’l No-neck Sean uses these oppression tactics: Baseless sarcasm, over-talking, mob mentality – and the classic cut & run. That last guy rudely spewing facts is Alan Colms, his old token liberal partner. I don’t know who the
black guy rudely spewing those other facts is.
Hannity Panel Obamacare Popular
Here are some stories
about what Obamacare has actually done for people.
And here’s a handy
little chart explaining exactly the difference between politicians (mostly
Democrats) who want to use government to help people and politicians (mostly
Republicans) who set out to use government to hurt everyone except rich people…
I live in a state that
falls in the “JUST SAY NO” category. I had to wait two months before the
federal exchange site was working. And when it was, I was able to afford health
insurance for the first time in my life.
Thanks, Obama.
I found this meme
later on…
It supposes an actual
doctor put it up. I contend that it’s completely fake, put up and posted on the
internet by a hateful, ignorant asshole.
“When the debate is
lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates.
I wish I was friends
with Henry Rollins.
Henry Rollins - Letter
To Toby Keith
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