These Facebook “discussions” I get myself into really do
pile up quickly. I put many of them on the back burner until I can revisit them
later. Often, a reason will pop up and spur me to finally post an old one. This
particular reason popped up six months later – to the day.
This time, a new discussion was similar to an old one, so I glued them
back-to-back in this post for two reasons:
1) A common theme – murder
2) The same misogynistic dim-wit is my muse
The names have been changed to protect the innocent and the
guilty – and all the shady characters in between. Normally, I would correct the
spelling, but in this case it lends to the authenticity and production quality
of this episode.
Enjoy…
September 23, 2011
Jan shared a link via Marsha
I...I...I...There are no words in my brain or heart for
this... While I'm "happy," for lack of a better word, that a life was
spared, it sickens me that this wasn't done for Troy Davis. Perhaps my hope of
Troy being the last person murdered by execution is coming to pass.
Bill Mancuso
Samuel David Crowe, white, proved beyond a reasonable doubt
of armed robbery and murder - shot store manager three times with a pistol,
beat him with a crowbar and a pot of paint, pleaded guilty, commuted.
Troy Davis, black, no evidence, 9 conflicting witness
stories, 7 recanted, some alleging police coercion, executed.
Hmm. If only I could figure out what the deciding factors
were.
Donald
Jan - I don't understand why the same people who will fight
to spare the lives of convicted criminals [Something to do with
state-sanctioned murder that does not in any way prevent future murders and the
alleged infallibility of 12 random assholes voting on your guilt based on whose
lawyer is a better liar, maybe?] in the
same breath will also fight for a women's right to have an abortion... [Something
to do with rights and health care, maybe?]
I don't know how you stand on that issue but from my experience [The
second case of male pregnancy after Arnold Schwarzenegger.] it either for one or the other. Personally I have no
problem with the death penalty if a person commits a awful crime like taking
the life of another [it is rarely 100% certain – 12 people voting is
not infallible] then they should die by the
same sword yet a baby's [it is not a baby] only crime is having a mother that doesn't want them [Really?
Yes, according to right-wing religious talking points.]. Although I can see why it may be necessary in cases
or rape incest. [Ooh. Temporary mini mental-progress.] But I cannot feel bad for a man that was put to
death for brutally killing another. If I had my way I would bring back the
gallows so every thug would think twice about committing a crime. [Because
when we did have the gallows, all murdering stopped.]
Bill Mancuso
You don't see the hypocrisy in what you said, do you,
Donald?
Jan
Well, Donald, luckily you won't get your way. As I believe
we evolved past this thought process. Currently we, as a country, share the
same mentality regarding the death penalty as N. Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iraq,
Iran and several 3rd world countries. Not exactly the company I'd like to keep.
It’s not about feeling bad, it’s about murdering a murderer to stop murder.
Huh? And for the record, the death penalty has obviously NOT deterred the
crimes that would be punishable by the death penalty. And if you can't
understand the difference between this and abortion, there is no use explaining
it. I do however find it interesting that you think it might be ok to terminate
an unwanted pregnancy if the situation calls for it. But, as I've told my
sister-in-law, who is very religious, I will forever defend your right to
CHOOSE your own thoughts and beliefs and your right to voice them. As long at
they don't involve the usual suspects of "evil" and wrong-doing.
Oh and in the Troy Davis case, he truly MAY have been
innocent. He denied the killing of Officer McPhail until his last breath and
even told the family to keep looking for the real killer.
Donald
The death penalty doesn't work because everyone knows if you
get the death penalty it could take 20 years. [THAT is why. Everyone knows
it. Having a wonderful life in an 8x8 prison cell for 20 years is not a
deterrent in and of itself. That’s why people murder with fearless whimsy.] Hence
what I said about the gallows... IIf
[I desperately want to comment on “IIf” but I don't know what IIf is.]
Mr Mancuso I love how it's a race issue... White guys spared
and the black guy dies... Give me a beak
Jan
Read it and don't
weep, Donald. It's white blindness to think it ain't so. The gallows. Yes - the
gathering of a crowd to watch people hang to their death. How romantic. How… evolved of you. I suppose we women should stay home,
barefoot and pregnant taking beatings from our husbands if we step out of line.
Or maybe our children should be hit every time they do something wrong and be
seen and not heard. Perhaps the "black folk" should still be slaves?
Witch-hunt anyone? Yeah! I heard
she was a witch. Let's burn her at the stake! I think you might be more
comfortable in perhaps, Iraq or Afghanistan, where they think like you. I
believe they finally stopped doing the gallows by the way because of the number
of people who were actually innocent and because of how barbaric it was. I
think I should be frightened that a mentality like yours still exists. But I'm
not. Because lucky for me, there are more like me. People who have evolved
spiritually, intelligently. People who know that murdering someone to teach
that you shouldn't murder someone is just, well...not the way to go, Donald.
And yes, 20 years, as it should
be when deciding the fate of a life. All options must and need to be exhausted
before state sanctioned murder can take place. Oh, that is if they pass the
physical they have to take several hours before their regularly scheduled
murder to make sure they are healthy enough to be killed. I will hope that Troy
Davis' murder will be the last state approved, pre-meditated murder allowed in
this country. I'm sure that will disappoint you but that brings a bit of peace
to me.
Bill Mancuso
So, Donald, you see neither the hypocrisy nor the racism in
your statements, then?
Donald
Jan - so now that I believe in the death penalty that means
I am a Racist, woman beating, child abuser ? typical left wing deffence... no
point in trying to argue. [Do you know how many times I’ve heard the ‘no
point in arguing with a close-minded Liberal’ reaction when a Conservative is
confronted with facts? Me neither. I’ve lost count. Wait, how many discussions
have I posted so far?]
Bill - don't
you see the stupidity in your post?
How much time is given in deciding the fate of a child
before it's head is crushed and the brain is sucked down a sink all because the
Childs mother made a error in judgment . [Puny stupid human comments making
Hulk angry…] Just curious? Call me what you
like but I have no problem executing a murderer or child abuser if they are
convicted in a court of law... I also suppose you are against peoples right to
bare arms?
Bill Mancuso
Not at all. I'm wearing short sleeves right now.
So, you're into premeditated revenge killing like a good
Christian, I see.
And I'll take it as a 'no' about noticing the racism &
hypocrisy in your statements.
Jan
Donald, I find it interesting that you are against abortion
but for the death penalty. Just kill them later, I guess. Especially since the
majority of killers, thugs and the like come from broken or single-parent
(mostly the mother) homes where the parent works their ass off and all they can
do is keep a roof over their heads. Or they too are crack heads or thugs on
welfare, which I'm sure you hate too.
First, I don't debate abortion with a guy and Second, I
don't debate it as I will NEVER decide what is right for the life of the mother
or the cells in her womb (I have a kid by the way. Whom I love more than
anything on this planet. But I have the
luxury of doing that because she was wanted and didn't "ruin my
life".) I can't even imagine what it must be like for someone who kept a
child because of the abortion/religious issue and hates them. Child abuse
anyone?
I too have bare arms right now, Bill :-). But no Donald, I
do think we have a right to bear arms. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I do believe, sadly, that for now, it is a
"right" (God it seems so insane to compare a "right" to
have a gun with a "right" to vote or have freedom of speech or a
"right" to choose). I don't have guns as I have a child but I have
dogs that will rip your throat out instead :-)
See, Donald...I don't just follow Republican and Democratic
dogma on issues. I actually think for myself, as rationally and intelligently
as possible have my very own thoughts and opinions.
Donald
I love how you said that your lucky you child was wanted and
didn't ruin your life ... When are people going to be held responsible for
their actions. How about if you can't feed them don't breed them? [Well,
that will fit on a bumper sticker.] And as
fir right to bear arms . Armed society is a peaceful society... Any thug would
think twice about breaking in to my house [So
the thug surveys all the homes in the neighborhood to find out who owns guns
prior to breaking and entering? Clever thug.] because I also have 3 children whom I
love more than anything and would stop at nothing to protect them and my wife.
Beside how many crimes are committed by lawful citizens? What the left tries to
do is take away our rights to defend ourselves so the criminal are the only
ones who will have guns... [Yup. Absolutely.] Cause we all know that Jimmy dirtbag doesn't follow
gun laws!!! Forgive me if my autocorrect changes they spelling of my words but
then what you you use to make yourself feel superior [I wonder if
auto-correct also changes his grammar, sentence structure and level of
education?]
And let me get this straight ... It's not ok to kill a
convicted killer, murderer, rapist... But it is ok kill a baby if the mom is
loose, [Rrr…] or it's ok to kill a man
if he breaks into your house by having your dogs rip his throat out? !!!! Ok
now I know hypocrisy! Ty Jan for the lesson [Donald doesn’t seem to
grasp the concept of being facetious.]
Jan
Obviously, I disagree. I'm pretty sure the left doesn't want
criminals running around with guns, Donald. Actually, I'm positive on that one.
Really? C'mon, man. Think! Think for yourself! And yeah, I feel the same about
can't feed ‘em thing. Which is exactly why every person should have a right to
CHOOSE. Even under the best circumstance, "accidents" happen. Some
people are able to work through it, others are not. I would never presume to
know what is going on in someone else's life when it comes to taking care of or
bringing another life into this world. I love how you think its because the
WOMAN must be loose. Wow, Donald. Wow. [Well, it IS what Republicans are
told to think, so, what do you expect.]
Just please, try and THINK, with compassion and peace. If we
all did that, I think there'd be a lot less for us all, on both sides to debate
:-)
Donald
Jan I enjoy a good debate it's the best way to learn both
sides... I would debate your friend Bill but anyone who calls someone a racist
without really understanding what was said is just plain stupid and simple and
not worth my time.. Just what was it that said that makes me a racist? And if
you read my comment you would see that yes I can understand where abortion may
be needed. I am against it being used for convenience because the baby is a
life not just tissue. Hence the loose comment. [If you’re up for some
extra-credit reading, check out my last post, “Women Are Stupid.” It hits upon
all these topics: Loose women that love getting abortions, my closed mind
preventing the enjoyment of further discussion, and poor grammatical skills.]
Nick
over 20 years and endless money thrown at this case.
Countless appeals and all came to a guilty verdict.... every time. and from
what i have read.... a majority black jury. Since when was this guy a saint?
Jan
Nick...not saying he's a saint. It’s not about being a
saint. It’s not about whether I like him or not. I think if you read this extremely brief info, you might understand the problems of
this. Eyewitness testimony is what basically got him arrested and charged. The
"eyewitnesses" recanted their testimony and others said it was
actually the guy who went into the police station and blamed Davis! Eyewitness testimony
is basically, literally all they had. How its ok to give someone the death
penalty based on eyewitness testimony but not take it away based on the same
eyewitness testimony is an absolute travesty and proof that our judicial system
needs re-vamping. The appeals is simply part of the process when it comes to
the death penalty in particular. However, in this case, they refused to take
the "new" evidence of testimony and no match on the shell casings and
that fact that the guy who turned in Davis is more likely the one who shot both
men. All the appeals process basically does is make sure that all procedures
were properly followed, it’s not necessarily evidence. It seriously is pretty
repulsive. This is why his supporters and those that believe this kind of thing
is pretty fucking scary say, "I Am Troy Davis" because it could
happen to any of us. Mistaken identity combined with a murdered cop, combined
with no money for a real defense attorney = executed. Read the article I posted
that started this whole thing and read the wiki info, I hope you'll be equally
disgusted.
In other words...there was just too much doubt in this one
to put a man to death without another trial. Jurors that originally convicted
Davis have come forward and even testified that if they knew then, what they
know now, they never would have convicted him.
Michelle
Donald, can I ask why you characterize women who get
abortions as loose or making an error in judgment? Let's say we agree a woman
shouldn't be allowed to kill her unborn child just because she doesn't feel
like being a mom. Should we as a society want her to raise that child if she's
so irresponsible, that she can't even use birth control? And let's say we agree
she shouldn't raise that child. Are you volunteering to take care of the baby?
What is your solution? You can't possibly, possibly be able to answer the
question of "what if it was you". But there is no doubt that if men
were capable of getting pregnant, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Abortion would be 'his right'.
Donald
Michelle - before all you femi-nazi's [Aaaaand Rush
Limbaugh finally pokes his head into the fray.] get your panties in a bunch, let me explain my position one more time
and I will try and do it so you will understand... if you read my first post I
said that I understand there may be a need for abortion but only in extreme
cases... i.e rape... but what disgusts me is lazy, irresponsible woman (yes and
men too) [He didn’t suddenly add ‘men’ to his argument as a qualifier
to somehow legitimize it. I just wanted to let you know that.] who have a good time and ooops got knock up! oh well
I will just get rid of it... Those women [He forgot to add ‘men’ this
time. I’m sure he meant to.] are loose and
yes they should not be able to raise the child but there are plenty of good
families that cannot have a child and would adopt them... any hospital will
take a child no questions asked so why do these babies have to die? [They’re
not babies.] yet God forbid the state
executes a thug that was convicted by his peers and sentenced to death... nooo
those people are monsters!!!! Spare me the liberal horse S%$t... and maybe if
this Govt would stop spending money on welfare and SSI for illegals then we
would have plenty to provide for them... [I’ll accept the addition of
‘abortion’ to the discussion since it is a legitimate argument to contrast the
death penalty. But when irrelevant topics start showing up, it means the
Republican ran out of Limbaugh/Hannity talking points and are backed into a
corner. They try to muddy the discussion or switch to a new topic and start
using the Limbaugh/Hannity talking points for that one until they run out
again. At that point, they’ll try introducing another topic or circle back to
an old one and start over. Hence the introduction of welfare and “illegals.”]
Jan
And for the record...Michelle is a mom too :-).
I would write more but as I said, I just don't debate
abortion with men. No offense :-).
Donald
I have nothing against Michelle and God bless her and you
for being a mom!
Like I said I love to debate!!!
Lets talk about something less controversial like Global
warming and the hoax it truly is... lol [So soon, Donald? We haven’t even
started on welfare or “illegals” yet. Don’t blow your load all in one shot.
Pace yourself.]
Jan
Global warming, eh...Well, that one, I'm honestly not up to
speed. [I am, though. That blog post is on deck.] For me, I'm a vegan and I live as eco-friendly as I possibly can. I'm
all for solar, hybirds, reducing if not eliminating our need and dependency on
fossil fuels, and I'm as conservative as I can be with water. I say as can be
because well, I'm a girl and sometimes, well, I take long hot showers and baths
:-). I don't think you should have to believe in Global Warming to be kind to
the only planet we have to live on! Whether there is global warming caused by
us or the plain ole cycle of the planet doesn't matter to me in terms of the
reason. [It actually does, but Jan is trying to be nice to the
dipshit. I have no such desire of heart.]
There shouldn't need to be a reason to want to make this planet and all on it
as healthy as possible. For the life of me, I just don't understand why people
need "reasons" to do the right thing! That's all I got on this one :-)
Bill Mancuso
Apparently, Donald, when you make remarks solely based upon
race, you're not a racist. When you demand standards apply to others but not
you, that's not hypocrisy. When someone disagrees with you, they are stupid.
When someone asks you completely fair questions that you don't have answers to,
they're a femi-nazi.
And when you can't come up with any answers based on logic
or facts, you change the topic.
You, like all who have no idea about the myriad difficult,
personal, emotional and complex reasons why a woman would choose this procedure
[myself included, but I am capable of empathy – sidenote: I learned what empathy is
from Star Trek TOS], do not care about said
reasons and instead choose to blindly repeat what religious dogma tells you because
that is far easier than actually trying to learn something new.
And so it is you seem to believe the only reason women seek
abortions is if they just don't feel like raising a child. Simple. Not
complicated. Ignorant. Wrong. [I had no idea at this point that this was a
religion-influenced Republican talking point in their war on women’s rights.]
I have decided that you are a typical close-minded,
right-wing, religious lemming. You are incapable of independent thought and
resort to name-calling to cover the fact that Rush Limbaugh hasn't told you
what to say on the topic.
If you scroll up, you will notice I never called you a
racist or a hypocrite. I simply asked if you saw the racism and hypocrisy in
your statements, affording you the chance to reflect on what you said and
perhaps change or clarify the statement. You did neither. You called me stupid
and Michelle a femi-nazi.
And yes, I realize I did just call you several names in the
paragraph above the last, but they are all accurate, based on actual things you
said. I didn't just call you stupid because you disagreed with me.
And I see you also blindly follow the right-wing,
corporate-profit-protecting, anti-science stance on climate change. Bravo.
And you prove my point again by trying to change the topic
since you have no logical answers.
Donald
Did you say something Bill? lets put it this way When I see
dirt worshipping tree hugging idiot drive a Prius, I go home and set fire to a
tire just out of spite... lol [Ha ha! Hilarious.]
And if you re read my first post all I said about race was
"give me a break" on your comment about how whitey gets off but the
brother dies... You are the racist! [I just fucking told him I didn’t call him
racist.] Just like that a hole Al Sharpton
only has rallies to get a black guy free... Ever see that idiot a activist
rally any support for a white man? Is he trying to free the innocent or just
the black guys? I myself will fight for any innocent man. But if they are
guilty then pay the piper they must!!! One more thing ..... When you act like
an elitist asshole trying to sound like an intellectual. All you are achieving
is looking like a douchebag. My guess is you have a boner for some girl your
trying to impress and you hope she is reading these posts .. Talk like a man!
10. Bucks says you order from international male. Lol have fun with that! All I
was doing is having a debate. Idiot! Lol
Bill Mancuso
Thank you for proving everything I said.
Donald
Bill you haven't said anything!
Michelle
You've said plenty, Donald. Thanks for the highly
enlightened view on sex and pregnancy. I'm sure you'll be volunteering hours
down at that hospital to take in all the unwanted babies. Oh, and thank you for
so astutely labeling me, based solely on my post asking you questions about
your views. (Yes, I'm a Nazi. And I hate men. How did you know??) Sadly
intelligent debate rarely happens anymore. Most people are just waiting for
their next turn to fire back. To PROVE themselves right. To insult the other.
To be clever. But almost never, to listen. The problems we are facing belong to
all of us. But go ahead, make enemies out of anyone with a differing opinion.
I'm sure that will fix everything.
Donald
Please read my first post And tell me what racist comment I
made? I was even called a hypocrite because i am for the death penalty and
against using abortion as a oops cleanup! And I bet I am not the first guy to
call you a Nazi. You are angry toots! But I have no I'll will towards you have
a good day
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I hadn’t known at the original time of this debate, but
apparently a Republican talking point is that women ONLY get abortions because
they want to have unprotected sex and
don’t want to be responsible for their actions. Women also love to get pregnant just so they can pop on down to the
Planned Parenthood abortion factory because it’s so easy and fun. But I know it
now.
Exactly six months later to the day, Jan posted on Facebook
about a man who murdered an unarmed kid. Donald showed up. So I did, too. I
immediately remembered the last time he disintegrated into random name-calling
after what I said. This time, he’s an absolute peach. As am I...
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| Image created by Working Families Party. Originally submitted by Amy F. |
Jan
This was a post shared on MoveOn.org. by FloridaJudy. I
couldn't have said it better myself. Here's the link should anyone want to
share it as well...
Let me explain what Trayvon Martin's death means to me. It's
not about whether his killing was pre-meditated. It's not even about whether it
was racially motivated, repugnant as I’d find that. It's not my place to decide
his killer's motives, even though I think he's Not Right in the Head. Sane and
sober civilians don’t prowl the streets at night armed with a loaded gun and
looking for evil doers to confront. That suggests the behavior of someone who's
been watching so many Dirty Harry or Lethal Weapon movies for so long that the
line between his reality and that of his favorite fictional character has
become blurred.
Again, that's not for me to decide. That's up to a judge,
two sets of lawyers, and - most importantly - a jury.
What bothers me even more than a lone nut is
*institutionalized* incompetence and/or racism, and that's what I'm seeing.
Since when do cops walk up to someone who is - literally! - standing over a
dead body and holding a smoking gun and just let him go when he claims the
other guy attacked him?
I'll describe myself. I'm an elderly white woman with health
problems that limit my mobility, and even in my prime I was never physically
robust. I've never been convicted of a crime, and haven't been arrested since
1964 when I picketed a draft board. But if, in some horrible future, a career
criminal breaks into my apartment armed with a machete and hopped up on crank
and angel dust, and I somehow manage to kill him with my grandfather’s WWI
revolver, here's what I expect would happen. The police would read me my
rights, and then politely escort me in handcuffs to the nearest ER for drug and
alcohol testing. They'd get a search warrant for my car and apartment, subpoena
my cell phone records, and confiscate my computer for the forensic IT people to
pick over. I'd be fingerprinted and then spend many, many hours being interrogated
with my lawyer present. All that would happen because I'd just killed one of my
fellow human beings, and that is not something that civilized people dismiss
lightly, regardless of the age, race, gender, or social class of those
involved. Even if the chief suspect appears to be a polite, soft spoken, little
old lady who looks like your favorite grandmother.
I’d hope no less would happened to anyone who killed me,
even if I'd gone delusional and was attempting to decapitate him with my cane.
That's justice. That's what Trayvon Martin deserved. And
didn't get.
Jan
Somehow...there is a modicum of positivity coming out of
this. While I don't know if the rest of the world knows about this, here in the
US, the outrage from all walks of life, color, creed and religion tells me that
we can be united. That atrocities like this won't be tolerated. That this must
NEVER happen again. A boy, an innocent beautiful boy, is dead. A mother lost a
child. A father lost a child. And not just to some sort of crazy accident or
illness that couldn't be cured. But heartlessly, cruelly, in the worst possible
way that any parent could lose a child. We, as a nation have said, NO! Fuck
this and fuck you! JUSTICE! However, what I will forever keep in my heart is
that no amount of justice can bring back an innocent life taken so violently.
My heart, prayers and love go out the family and friends of this beautiful boy.
Olivia
That's the whole truth Jan and it's truly sad, my white
Sister. White on the outside black on the inside. Bottom line is on any given
day this could've happened and your child could be next depending on how the
officer 1st on scene feels or how his day is going. Is that how we want to
live? Is that how we want our children treated? He was slaughtered like his
life meant nothing.
Jan
Olivia...this could've been your boy! My daughter! The fact
that it was anyone's child, any life in general, regardless of age, is a
painful reality, we as the human race must eradicate. I love you my dear sister.
Olivia
Girl I can't even imagine this happening to my son or your
daughter, I would be crazy. Everyone really needs to understand what kind of
danger their children are in just on a day to day basis with idiots like this
walking the streets. The trip to me is this, people get arrested everyday
sometimes for things they've actually done and once in a while you have your
occasional innocent person who's arrested too but this guy had a smokin gun!
Come on now really.
Marsha
Oh yes, the world knows about this. It's been Guardian (best
UK newspaper) front page news since it happened. It's a travesty in this
country which has had so many racist travesties of justice. Troy Davis
anyone...? I hate that I'm having to have this conversation with my 12 year old
brown boy. It could so easily be him. It breaks my heart.
Kirk
Florida...where hanging chads can deliver you George W.
Bush, and you can kill somebody with a gun and get off scott free if you claim
that they attacked you first. Despite not having a weapon.
Donald
The killer is a nut job and I do believe it was racially
motivated. [So far, so good, right?]
What pisses me off is if the killer was black and the victim white. Al the
idiot Sharpten wouldn't be leading a million hoodie march for the white guys
justice. That is also racism ! [THAT’S my man! Never let me down.]
Jan
Hey Donald...your response makes it so terribly hard to
handle with grace. As the post states and the way I feel, whether or not this
was racially motivated, isn't the issue. But leave it to the white republican
jerk off to take the pain of what happened and say, "Fuck it, I'm gonna
just be mad about a million hoodie march and start screaming about another form
of racism." Additionally, I see your point about the thousands of times a
black person has killed a white person for no good reason and the press and
everyone is all up in arms...oh, wait
I had no idea you were this "class-less"
Oh and by the way...the killer is a Hispanic male. Look at
him. But it ultimately has nothing to do with race! The problem is how it was
handled despite the disgusting racial motivations.
Marsha...ditto. Except I have a girl where I have to explain
that people may just want to hurt her because they think they can. Longing for
the days where it was just...don't talk to strangers. Perhaps that it's on a
worldwide scale, the awareness it will bring will do much to eradicate this
type of shit.
Donald
I never wanted to take the focus away from what happened [Then
why did you intentionally do exactly that? And why are you going to do it
again?] and I am disgusted what this guy
did. I just pointed out that if the "good" rev actually gave a shit
about what happened then he would be just as loud if it happened to a white
kid. Or black on black crime ( take white) out of it... The only time there is
such a outrage is when it's white on black. Regardless how you point out that
he is part Hispanic. I hate all crime! You can call me what ever you like but
the truth is the truth.
Marsha
Donald- WHHHAAAATTTT? Do you read newspapers/watch the news
at ALL? "The only time there is such a outrage is when it's white on
black" The only time there's real outrage and CONSEQUENCES is when it's
black on white! The reason there's such an uproar is because this racial
injustice KEEPS HAPPENING! Your truth, I'm sorry to say is deluded. (wow, I'm
not intending to be rude or anything, but your response is so on a different
planet, it must be addressed!) [Don’t worry. My ruder rudeness will soon
drown out your rudeness, Marsha.]
Donald
Really? In the city of Rochester young black men get kill
other young blacks and whites and it gets 1 day in the paper. No al Sharpton no
outrage. So by all means give me a example of this kind of outrage over a
killing of anyone beside white on black. And before all you hippy commie dirt
worshippers try to turn this around. I will say it again" treyvon was
killed/ murdered by a whacko who hates black people and the killer should go to
jail. !!!
Marsha
I'll repeat it again for you, the reason there's such
outrage is that it happens all the time! I work in the prison system, trust me,
I know. Al Sharpton has his own opinions and way of expressing them, but he's
one person, ANYONE with eyes and a pair of ears knows what this is, especially
if they are of colour or know any young black men. I think I understand where
you're coming from though with your "hippy" comment, so I'm guessing
this is falling on deaf ears. Never mind. [That was a LOT nicer than I would
have put it.]
Jan
This coming from the gun-toting; creationism is where its
at; women are too stupid to make their own decisions; fuck the environment; go
big oil; no taxes for rich white guys; fuck the poor; Obama isn't a citizen; I
can't think for myself or I'll go blind; screw helping your fellow man unless
he's like me; the arts are stupid; marriage is what "I" say it is and
I base that on a book that was written by white guys when the earth was flat
and the sun revolved around it that has over a hundred versions and hated
women; screw peace! no money in peace!; facts that prove me wrong are lies;
unification of church and state as long as there's money in it; greed whore.
Sorry Donald, you had that coming from your last insult. [That was pretty
good, I have to admit. It will still go right over his head, though. Just like
spelling, punctuation and grammar.]
Donald
[to Marsha:] Your the
one with deaf ears honey ! Cause if you stop being so angry and actually listen
you will see that I agree with you at how awful this is but you still haven't
given me a example on how I'm wrong? Show the same outrage in the past six mos
when anyone else was killed besides white on black!!??? [Maybe almost
every time the killing is black on white? Just perhaps the black guy is
practically lynched before there’s even a trial? When you only pay attention to
one side, your view tends to be a little lop-sided.] My point sweetheart is that the "good rev" has his own
agenda along with everyone else like yourself that is using the death of this
poor kid to spew more racial crap. There are racist on both sides and they are
all wrong! Whore the actions of one idiot for your own agenda is pathetic. !!!
I love you to Jan! No need to say sorry. This is a debate, [Is
it 'sweetheart'? Or 'toots'?] this is how we
learn from each other. [Love to know what you’ve learned.] We don't have to like it just hope we listen... And
btw I am a gun toting conservative, the diff is I would only use it as a last
resort but use it I would to protect my family and my self. What this jackass
did was murder.
Marsha
I am neither angry in the slightest nor your sweetheart or
honey, and I'm not going to engage with that kind of "debate." Father
Greg Boyle (who I hope you know, but I'm sure you don't) said,
"...clinging to the myth that a gun is going to protect you. I've buried
171 human beings and know a lot of lives destroyed because of a gun. I can't
remember a single time when a gun has protected a life. Not one." He
should know.
Sharon
It's funny how there is a background check to make sure you
haven't ALREADY committed a crime when applying for a pistol permit but no one
checks on one's mental capacity. I know of several people who LEGALLY own guns
yet absolutely should not. It's always tragic when human beings kill other
human beings-PERIOD.
Btw: love you Jan!!
Bill Mancuso
Donald, did your parents have any children that survived?
Jan
I love you too Sharon!!! and VERY well said!
Bill Mancuso, I literally almost put in my last post, bill
mancuso? can you please handle this one :-)
Donald, sweety, poor, poor li'l bubbykins...it saddens me
that while everyone on here was expressing the sadness and pain of the
situation and fear about the possibility of it happening to their child
(including me), you come in with the insults, hate, demeaning endearments, and
typical republican deflection by cussin' out the "Al" instead of the
issue at hand. You're right in terms of "debate is how we learn from each
other." Problem is, I have nothing to learn from you or people like you
other than how NOT to think or be. So for that, I suppose I'm grateful. Got it
smoochie-poo-pants?
David
Can I call you honey?
Jan
Sure thing puddin' Dave :-)
Donald
Jan- look at the thread. I was not the one to start with the
insults. [Um…] Nothing excuses what the
asshole did to treyvon and his family. God bless them.
Now for some facts. Black on white crime 16% white on black
crime 2%. My point is al Sharpton is using this fucked up shooting for racially
political bullshit. [How?] If he really
gave a shit about kids getting killed he would be on the streets for all crimes
[Because Al Sharpton can protest the 17,000 murders a year?] apparently he values black people more than white...
I value all life!!! And would try to help anyone that needs it [Which
is why Donald DOES protest all 17,000 murders per year.]
Marsha - relax sugar tits, it's just the way I talk! [You
can’t make this stuff up. It’s real. This dude really throws these insults
around casually. I can’t wait till you hear his explanation why.]
David
I rarely wade in on this stuff as I use FB to chat and share
music, but this is an appalling crime and should be regarded as such, not used
as any kind of forum to be turned around to your own liking and or to other
crimes of your choosing. The point being made here I feel is neither a
right/left wing point, rather that it is indeed a truly awful thing that has
happened to this young man and his family and if it happened to him it could
happen to one of our own.
Sharon
Jan, you are saucy and precious! Don't let Wee Willie Winkie
get to ya!
Bill Mancuso
So, I gather that's a "No," then? My condolences
to your parents. [Yes. I am being a dick. Do you know why?]
David
Billus, you up for coffee????
Bill Mancuso
Yes. Yes, I am.
Sharon
Are we still doing inappropriate terms of endearment?
Donald
Bill - same dumb ass lines. And you wonder why the only ass
you get is when your finger rips thru the toilet paper [That was why.]
Sharon - sorry toots not trying to ignore you . [And
that.]
Btw Bill Fonzey called he wants his hairstyle back. Prick [And
that.]
Sharon
Oh please do ignore me... now you're just lashing out
irrationally, sir. Try and find your happy place. Peace.
Donald
Ok
Jan
Donald, I assure you, Bill Mancuso was absolutely expecting
comments exactly like that as they are typical of your kind. [She is
correct. I was expecting it.]
David
I am on the way, Billus!!
Gracie
So this debate has unfortunately gone in a different
direction... I did see a headline today that Geraldo Rivera said the wee pet
got killed because of his hoodie.. This made me upset and I don't normally get
upset by the ridiculous banter of fox news hosts...
Bill Mancuso
Donald, education called, it begs you to never claim you had
anything to do with it.
Sharon
Can I have coffee with David and Bill??
Donald
Jan - you and your kind started to attack mr first yet there
is no comments on that. I just made a comment on your thread and immediately I
am the enemy redneck conservative your kind hates so much ... Your typical
sweetheart and bill is just a creeper looking to impress hippy chicks with his
tired act. You want me to comment
Bill Mancuso
Sharon, everyone is welcome to have coffee with David and I!
Donald, boy did you sure peg me, man. I'm just some creeper
desperately trying to impress my closest friend of 20 years (Jan, I never
noticed you were a hippie. Why didn't you tell me?).
What "our kind" hates so much is the blind
ignorance repeated so casually and enthusiastically by "your kind."
What "our kind" hates so much is having a battle of wits with unarmed
people such as yourself.
You believe Al Sharpton is a racist for defending black
people but not white people. The fact that Al Sharpton is a black man himself
and a lifelong black civil rights activist apparently does not count in your
well thought out hypothesis. Tell me, do you also believe Native Americans who
fight for tribal ancestry rights to be racist for not fighting for white men's
rights? Do you believe women fighting for their Constitutionally protected
right to an abortion to be sexist for not fighting for men's rights?
And Donald, my uneducated friend, I have not yet
"attacked" you. And even if I did, you wouldn't understand because
your level of insulting people is calling them names like 'sugar tits' and
"hippy commie dirt worshippers" and telling me the only ass I get is
sticking my finger through toilet paper. You know, unsophisticated,
contextless, poorly spelled, 2nd grade humor. (No offense to 2nd graders
meant.)
I'm sure you'll understand this:
Dummy! Jerk! Stupid-head! Mr. Farty-Breath! Nya, nya! Take
that! Tpthtpthtpth!!
Jan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Actually, William, I DO *smell*
like a hippie right now or is that homeless? Is there a difference?
Marsha
Oh, and Donald (yes it's me, sugar tits), [That made me
laugh out loud.] have you ever heard of
Troy Davis? Was accused of killing a white man & executed on the flimsiest
of evidence despite a huge groundswell of facts that point to his innocence.
Might like to read up on that one. Wait, I said READ, that might be a new
experience for you...
Donald
Mancuso - if you look back at the thread Capt' Ahole you
would see that YES you did attack me first with you stupid line about my
parents having any children that lived. Then after I Ignored your Comment you
say " I take that as a no. My condolences to your parents". And while
we are at it if you look at what I initially said first you would see that I
agreed with Jan about the killing but I am also disgusted at these so called civil
rights activist who are using this kids murder for there own political agenda.
[Still don’t know what that political agenda is.] Tell me wise one. What is it that Al Shapton dies for a living? How
does he get his money? He is very wealthy, yet I'm not sure how he gets a pay
check ? Hmmm.
You lefties claim to be so tolerant with all people until
they disagree with your bullshit, then you all gang up like the pussies you are
and start with insults, call people stupid, brand them as people who can't
think for them selves because they don't agree with you! Instead if trying to
have a debate were all of us can learn from each other. If Jan does want to
here all sides then why comment on a public forum? [It might not be about
you disagreeing with me. It might have to do with the angry, unintelligible,
uneducated nonsense you’re spouting.]
And Bill just grow a set and tell Jan you have a boner for
her! It's not like she doesn't know already. Oh well always a brides maid never
a bride huh Billy boy? [And that.]
Your all a bunch of closed minded numb leftist who cannot
think for yourselves, like the goth kids you try to be different yet they all
dress and look alike. [And that.]
Bill Mancuso
Donald, I sincerely apologize. I had no idea I was dealing
with a mentally challenged person. I can tell by your complete lack of sentence
structure, incoherent messaging, Dali-esque use of punctuation, consistent
misspelling of words, conclusions drawn without any evidence and the anger and
frustration you feel toward not being able to succinctly articulate any of
these things intelligently. I don't know how I could have missed these obvious
clues in the past. Please accept my apology. No disrespect was meant.
However, I also notice your vile hatred of women by the
continual verbal abuse you casually sling at them in conversation without the
slightest bit of compunction. This may be a direct result of child abuse by a
female family member. Have you been to see a psychologist? They may be able to
unlock any repressed memories that cause you to constantly lash out at women
for no apparent reason and relieve you of your subconscious torment. Or could
this be a result of not being able to get a girlfriend until much later in
life, then settling on a last resort in a final act of desperation? That may
also be driving your animosity toward women. In either case, it would be most
beneficial for you to seek treatment.
As for your oh, so clever (lack of a) dissection of Al
Sharpton's political agenda, what exactly do you think is his political agenda?
Justice for a murdered innocent child? To me, that doesn't seem so subversive
an agenda.
And if you took .03 of a second and did some research,
instead of just spewing completely uninformed idiocy, you would know that Al
Sharpton makes a living hosting a television talk show and hosts a radio talk
show and founded the National Action Network and Rev. Al Communications. But,
to be honest, I shouldn't expect such a bold move like 'research' from you.
(And I don't, since you didn't.) You just making an ignorant claim that he has
no job does not magically make that a true statement. It just makes you
ignorant.
And please don't blame automatic spell check or typos for
your lack of spelling skills. Also, if you really want to insult someone, don't
just call them random names. As I have already pointed out, you just sound
mentally deficient because there's no substance or intelligent thought behind
your 'attacks.' (Which apparently you are not even as smart as a 2nd grader to
pick up on, since you keep doing it. Also, don't invent fantasy situations to
put your opponents in - that just exposes what's in your simple little head,
not mine.) Calling me random funny names and telling me I have a boner for my
friend is not hurtful, only amusing - like a video of a guy getting hit in the
nuts with a baseball. Hah! Classic. You need to attack the substance of what
the person said. Of course, you'd have to understand what they said first, so
maybe I'm expecting too much of you. So, yeah, you should probably just stick
to your thoughtless name-calling. You know, that really clever stuff, like
"Capt' Ahole," "sugar tits" and "hippy commie dirt
worshippers."
Do make sure to spell them correctly, though.
And just so I understand your so-called "angry,
man-hating, feminist-detector" (see how correct punctuation helps?), are
you saying that if you call a girl "sugar tits" and she gets mad,
then she's a "close-minded, angry, Rosie the Riveter?" (I'm assuming
you ignorantly mean 'Rosie the Riveter' as an insult and not as the
historically heroic role women took during WWII building the vehicles for the
fighting men personified by the famous Norman Rockwell painting.) Basically,
you're saying that when YOU intentionally act like a stupid fucking asshole to
a woman, that makes HER a bitch for getting upset? Wow. That's absolutely
genius. How do you get through life knowing everyone is so much less
intelligent than you? It must be frustrating. I'm humbled that you even
acknowledged me.
And just because I don't agree with the nonsense coming out
of your mouth, that doesn't automatically make me a "lefty."
Donald
That fact that you wasted time writing that crap makes me
laugh. Did I hit a nerve? Your a intellectual fucking genius, obviously, I am
no match for you. I mean I don't even own a faggy black turtle neck so how can
I hang out with all the other dick heads at the hip coffee shop with a laptop
caking like I know what's best for everyone cause I'm smarter the everyone. You
are my hero! No so much.!
Donald
Not so much. ! I am sooo stupid ! Whstever
Bill Mancuso
Thanks for the hearty laugh, buddy!
David
We drink coffee at Woodstock’s finest Dunkin Donuts. It has
never been and never will be a ‘hip’ coffee shop. Nor do we use laptops there;
it’s a different sort of crowd.
Yeah. Turtle necks are "faggy." Billy does not own one,
though. I, however own two – a white one and a blue one. Which one do you want
to borrow, sugar tits!!
Bill Mancuso
No. I've never owned a turtleneck.
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This is my Facebook profile picture that inspired Donald’s
“Fonzie” and “turtleneck” comments. I don’t really need to say more, do I?
Luckily, I found myself in a simultaneous conversation about
the Treyvon Martin murder by way of another friend’s post. My old friend,
Richard makes a brief but delightful appearance. That’s the nice thing about us having several of
the same Facebook friends – he may have defriended me, but not everyone I know.
I’ll try to post it next, or at least soon afterward. The problem is, as of
this posting eleven days in, it is still going on. Yeah, it's long. I do think I see the light at the end of
the conversation. Although, I did think that four times already.
Richard bails out after a while, but an interesting
character takes up his mantle.
Interesting in that he changes the topic, won’t leave it
under any circumstances, uses no facts and ignores every single thing I say.
And keeps repeating the same misinformation over and over. Just like Richard.
But different. You’ll see.
It’s twice as long as these two put together (so far). I’ll
try and edit it down, but the path being taken is so fucking interesting.
At least to me.
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