Before this post begins, I would like to say a few words.
Some of you may have noticed that “Mary” is often the opposing voice in my posts. It may seem like I’m picking on her. I am not. It just so happens that most of the males I used to have these “discussions” with have de-friended me and blocked me on Facebook. You may remember “Richard” and “Gomer” from way back. They are little bitches. “Mary” has bigger balls than the both of them. I just happen to comment on whoever posts things I think are ridiculously full of shit, and “Mary” at the moment seems to be fulfilling that requirement the most often.
Thanks. Now, on to the show…
It may not seem like it due to the amount of blog posts I generate with these, but I don’t comment on a lot of the posters people put up on Facebook. If I did, I’d need to make it my profession. I’m not sure if anyone’s hiring Professional Facebook Commentators, though. But some stuff is just so insultingly ignorant of facts that I NEED to comment and I am unable to NOT comment.
If you don’t recall, this incident took place in July of last year.
No one is preventing these homophobic bigots from expressing their freedom of speech. And pointing out their blatant anti-gay speech is not a lie. They even admitted to being "guilty as charged." And the freedom to not patronize their anti-gay establishment is not fascism. It is exercising freedom of speech. [Free-market capitalism at its finest, to be more precise. A Conservative’s wet dream. Of course, if free-market capitalism negatively impacts them, then it’s fascism. That’s the problem with people who inherently do not understand the concept that words have definite meanings. They just flip the argument onto you. That, and they’re butthurt crybaby bitches when things don’t go their way. My favorite “flip attack” is when they whip out “nigger” and you say “that’s racist” and they reply with “another lib playing the race card again.” But I digress.]
Why do you feel it is ok for Chick-fil-A to exercise their freedom of speech regarding gay people, but when gay people and those who stand for civil rights do the exact same thing regarding Chick-fil-A, you deem it 'fascism?'
Those are two different issues. Wtf Mary? What they are doing is wrong. They are not just exercising freedom of speech; they are discriminating against gay people. It is not a choice to be gay, and it is not an easy lifestyle to endure. We do not need people making it worse, we are supposed to be moving in the opposite direction. It is a violation of basic civil rights!
In the United States people are supposed to be able to express their opinions. But in Chicago, Boston and other U.S. cities, politicians are actually promising to keep any more Chick-fil-A stores from opening because their CEO does not support gay marriage, and that crosses the line. [They’re hollow promises. They can’t actually do it. Also – contributing million$ to anti-gay legislation that proposes to execute gay people for being themselves – that’s not considered crossing the line?] When politicians threaten to ban a business from their cities [They can’t.] just because the CEO does not hold the “politically correct” position [By “politically correct,” do you refer to “not executing gay people?”] on a social issue that is an attack on the freedom of speech of every American. [Here we go. Hold on, this ride gets bumpy and has many hairpin turns.] You see, the truth is that the enforcers of political correctness in America are very “tolerant” except when somebody disagrees with them. The politically correct control freaks that are trying to ban Chick-fil-A from their cities would try to ban Chick-fil-A from opening any more restaurants in the entire country if they had the power to do so. The goal of these politically correct control freaks is to intimidate. [Executing people for being gay – that’s apparently not intimidation.] They want to end debate on these social issues by shutting down the free speech of the opposition. In the end, if America continues to go down this path it will end up looking just like many of the other totalitarian regimes throughout history where free speech has been banned. Once again, in America everyone has the right to say whatever they want to about Chick-fil-A. However, when politicians try to ban a company from doing business in their areas because one of the company executives does not hold the “correct” political view about an issue that is a major problem. This has NOTHING to do with my stance on being gay. My acceptance of your lifestyle is because you're my sister, I love you, and I always want you to be happy, it's NOT because I feel the need to be politically correct. Believe it or not, there is a HUGE difference.
And by the way....I will continue to go to Chick-fil-a....not because they are for, or against gay marriage, or for any other stance any of their workers, managers, or ceo's take....I will continue to go there because they are in the business of chicken....and they have good fucking chicken.
Civil rights have NOTHING to do with "political correctness." A civil right is not political except to those defending bigotry who try to make it political. They make a false equivalence between hatred and intolerance with a civil right just to give a fake notion of an equal argument for bigoted homophobic hate and intolerance. This is what you’re doing now. Do you also support the opinion that blacks and whites shouldn't get married? The opinion that women and blacks shouldn't have the right to vote? That blacks should still be considered only 3/5ths of a person? Do you believe that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Fascist for wanting to be treated on par with whites? Do you support the belief that gay people should be put to death? These are all opinions as well. Let me put it to you in a way you might understand: If Chick-fil-A said rottweilers were nothing but vicious killers and must be terminated no matter what, would you support their opinion and continue to eat at their restaurants and help them use your money to donate to anti-rottweiler organizations? And anyone who said that they are wrong and that it’s the trainer that trains them that way – would you consider them Fascists?
“If America continues to go down this path it will end up looking just like many of the other totalitarian regimes throughout history where free speech has been banned…?” Gee, spout extreme fear-mongering nonsense much? Again, why do you believe it is OK for Chick-fil-A to express their opinions of hate and fire gay people because they hate them and donate money to anti-gay organizations, but those in support of civil rights equality who don’t want bigoted businesses in their cities are the ‘politically correct totalitarian regime Fascists?’ I think you may be confusing just who is trying for that totalitarian regime you fear so much.
It all comes down to this: it is a Constitutionally protected right to express bigotry and it is a Constitutionally protected right to express equality. The only difference is your choice. And you’ve chosen to stand with bigots and claim that the notion of equality is a Fascist notion.
Chick-fil-A won’t hire people if they are gay and they do fire them if they find out they’re gay. Not if they are incompetent workers or late all the time or some other such actual fire-able reason – just gay. Just because they exist. Why do you now support hateful intolerant homophobic bigots? You didn’t used to.
And in that big book that bigots like to use to justify their bigotry, in the very same chapter of the Old Testament, Leviticus, where it says man shall not lay with man, it also says it is a sin to eat pork. Chick-fil-A serves pork on their breakfast menu. Aside from being small-minded intolerant homophobic bigots, they are hypocritical assholes to boot. (Leviticus also says it’s a sin to wear clothes made of a blend of fabrics and a sin to plant seeds from different plants in the same garden, so how credible is their authority on reality?)
So, go to Chick-fil-A. Support bigotry, hate and intolerance. It is your Constitutionally protected right. No one will stop you.
But they will know where you stand.
Oh, and on a related bigotry note, this one of misogyny, Chick-fil-A often also fires women for no reason other than they have children because they should be stay-at-home moms. Firing women who support their children. Yay for Chick-fil-A. Welcome to 1952. [“Christian” moral authority in action.]
Bill, please stop putting words in my mouth. You have NO idea what my own opinion is, because I haven't given it. [Yes, I do because you have. It’s the entire reason behind this dialogue.] The reason for my post and what I have written has nothing to do with my personal opinion, [Huh?] but rather the RIGHT to be able to express opinions without falling into a political agenda. Everything you wrote is irrelevant to any and all of my reasons and opinions. No one had a problem with them closing on Sundays since the 60's due to his biblical belief of "a day of rest"...... I'll make one thing clear, I am certainly not anti-gay or a homophobe, nor do I support bigotry. Mr. Cathy has the right to express his opinion. Gay people everywhere have certainly gone to extremes to express their opinions. [To be treated equal? FUCKING EXTREMISTS!]
I did not put words into your mouth. You posted a sign that claims people fighting for civil rights are Fascist and people fighting against civil rights are expressing Constitutional freedom. If this 1950’s backward-thinking bigotry is not your opinion, then why did you post it?
I understand the reason for your post is that Chic-fil-A has the right to express their bigoted opinion. I have agreed with you 100% on that issue. But you exclude anybody’s opinion that goes against that bigoted opinion. Again - Why do you believe it is OK for Chick-fil-A to express their opinions of hate and fire gay people because they hate them (which directly harms people), and donate money to anti-gay organizations (which directly harms people), but those in support of civil rights equality who don’t want bigoted businesses in their cities are the ‘politically correct totalitarian regime Fascists?’ This double standard is laughable.
Oh, and they’re against women who need to work to support their children, too. More backward 1950’s mentality.
Being closed on Sunday is not infringing on anyone’s civil rights or freedoms and harms absolutely no one at all. [Except their own profit margin.] Funding anti-gay organizations IS infringing on civil rights and directly harms people. Stop making false equivalencies.
Uganda. Where some of Chic-fil-A’s anti-gay money goes.
And yes, those damn gay people everywhere going to extremes just wanting to have equal rights with everyone else – how DARE they.
I know you are not anti-gay or a homophobe nor do you support bigotry. I’ve been in conversations with you before on this topic. That’s why I am confused as to why you are making these clearly bigoted posts.
But what if I want a fucking chicken sammich on Sunday??......
go to Boston Market!
[Prepare yourself. This is a perfect example of someone who is not seeking the truth but instead searching for “information” to copy and paste that backs up their misinformed opinion.]
There are two persistent lies about Chick-fil-a that have been perpetuated through a variety of media outlets. Most of the time, the lies are reported as quotations from another source, but they are rarely challenged or fact-checked by the one reporting the story.
Lie #1: That Chick-fil-a discriminates against homosexuals.
Mayor Tom Menino gave this explanation for why Chick-fil-a is not welcome in Boston: “You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population.” Likewise, the Alderman leading the charge against Chick-fil-a in Chicago said this: “If you are discriminating against a segment of the community, I don’t want you in the 1st Ward.” Are these allegations accurate? Is it true that Chick-fil-a discriminates against homosexuals? That claim is patently false. [Maybe on FOX, but not in the real world. But that’s how the right-wing works. Just demanding something to be true means it’s true – ignoring all the incontrovertible facts to the contrary.]
In a statement that has been largely ignored by homosexual activists, Chick-fil-a clarifies:
“The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.” [This lie was not ignored. It was acknowledged as a lie, since this lip-service is the opposite of CFA’s actions.]
This statement and the well-known track record of Chick-fil-a are why even some opinion writers who support same-sex marriage are now editorializing in favor of Chick-fil-a. The pro-gay marriage editors of The Los Angeles Times write:
If Chick-fil-A were to refuse service to gay customers; the city has a right and an obligation to prevent discriminatory actions against its residents and visitors. But there’s no evidence that any such thing has occurred.
Likewise, Eric Zorn of The Chicago Tribune is also in favor of gay marriage, but he editorializes in favor of Chick-fil-a as well. He observes that “Chick-fil-A, doesn’t… discriminate against customers or employees” based on their sexual orientation.
Americans need to understand what is going on in this debate. No one is being discriminated against at Chick-fil-a, despite false reports to the contrary. [If you click your heels together and repeat, “Chic-fil-A doesn’t discriminate” then their well-documented track record of discrimination will disappear.] The President of the company, Dan Cathy, simply expressed his point of view on the issue of marriage—a point of view rooted in his [hateful, extremist] Christian beliefs. And now at least two mayors of America’s two leading cities are saying that they will use their power to punish Chick-fil-a for those views. This is a moral outrage and a violation of the first Amendment to the Constitution. Every American—no matter what your view of gay marriage—should stand against this kind of tyranny.
Lie #2: That Dan Cathy made an anti-gay marriage statement.
This imbroglio [How to tell if something is copied and pasted, 101: The use of words no one uses.] began as a result of an interview with Dan Cathy that was published in the Baptist Press. From what I can tell, the Los Angeles Times reported on the Baptist Press story, and it went national. Subsequent reports in the national media described Cathy’s remarks in decidedly negative terms. The Huffington Post described his stance as “anti-gay.” [Because it is.] CNN reported that Cathy responded “guilty as charged” to the accusation that he opposes gay marriage. [Because he did.] Time magazine had a headline that spoke of Chick-fil-a’s “homophobic attitude.” [Dammit, media! Stop reporting the things we say amongst ourselves that we don't want the public to know about! That's bigot persecution!] Did Dan Cathy really plead “guilty as charged” to accusations of having a “homophobic attitude” or of being “anti-gay” or even of being against “gay marriage”? [Yep.]
The truth is that Dan Cathy never mentioned gay marriage or homosexuality at all in the interview. I invite readers to read it for themselves to verify. While Cathy’s remarks certainly have implications for gay marriage, Cathy framed his comments in decidedly positive terms. [Hah!] Moreover, they were set in a context that was addressing more generally the pro-family stance of Chick-fil-a—a stance that has implications beyond the issue of gay marriage. [No. There are no implications beyond the issue of being anti-gay. This is the one and only reason someone would oppose gays getting married. They hate gay people. “Pro-family” is a not-very-secret code for “anti-gay.”]
The Boston Herald reported that Dan Cathy said that gay marriage is “inviting God’s judgment on our nation.” In actuality, the Baptist Press report said nothing about “God’s judgment.” That phrase was taken from a radio interview recorded a month earlier on a radio talk show in Atlanta. And in that interview, Ken Coleman wanted Cathy to talk about fatherhood and family. So Cathy made some wide-ranging remarks about the family in general and about his own father in particular—remarks which had no reference to homosexuality.
[So, when Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,' and I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is about," he didn’t say it? And the clip of this radio interview of him actually saying it isn’t him actually saying what he actually said…]
[Click your heels together, bigots, and repeat after me, “He didn’t say what he said, he didn’t say what he said, he didn’t say what he said…]
Cathy also emphasized how crucial it is for children to be raised by both a mother and father. [An overtly anti-gay statement.] As an aside, he mentions that that’s why he believes it’s arrogant to try and redefine marriage. [Because he’s anti-gay, hiding behind 2,000 year-old homophobic writings to justify his hatred of gays.] It’s bad for children and invites God’s judgment. [Meaning, as a homophobe, he believes ‘gay people invite God’s judgment.’] Cathy never says anything about homosexuality or gay marriage explicitly. [Yes, he skirted his bigoted opinion in public well. Many public homophobes do. Especially when they want to be secret about it if it potentially could harm their profits.] You will not find the words “gay marriage” or “same-sex marriage” anywhere in this interview. Again, I invite readers to verify this for themselves by listening to the audio below. The interview begins at the 22:00 minute mark. [It does not because she never posted a link to the interview when she copied and pasted this nonsense. I wonder if she actually read this article beyond its title, Two Persistent Lies About Chic-fil-A in the Press?]
I do not mean to suggest that Cathy’s position on gay marriage is unclear. It is very clear that Cathy supports traditional marriage as the union of one man and one woman. [But that’s not anti-gay. Sure.] What I am suggesting is that his advocacy is understated and respectful. It is nothing like it has been reported in the media over the past week.
[If you wish to read this entirely copied and pasted nonsense all over again in its original form, HERE is the link. Yeah, I research everything. You can also find the interview there. And yes, if you were wondering, Denny Burk, the original author of this nonsense is a bigoted Christian right-wing gay-bashing homophobe.]
Lie #1: All the gay people and women with children who were fired for being gay or being women might differ with the lie that Lie#1 lies about.
Firedoglake.com: Forbes: The Cult of Chick-fil-A – and how it boldly engages in discriminatory practices
Forbes: The Cult of Chic-fil-A: The fast-food purveyor seeks loyal employees and operators who believe in serving chicken is God's work. Careful screening of new hires keeps it out of trouble.
Forbes: The Cult of Chic-fil-A: The fast-food purveyor seeks loyal employees and operators who believe in serving chicken is God's work. Careful screening of new hires keeps it out of trouble.
Lie#2: So, SEMANTICALLY he never said the words, “I hate gay people," so, your argument is that semantically, he’s a bigot just hiding his bigotry behind Bible-talk. Sure. He’s FOR “traditional” marriage, but NOT against gays getting married. What kind of bullshit double-speak is that?
Also - pumping millions into anti-gay organizations ISN’T anti-gay? I guess you’re right, though. He never came out and directly said the words.
That lawsuit is irrelevant to this situation. In addition, the lawsuit is first and foremost against the manager of the Chick-Fil-A, and he should pay for his discriminatory actions, but it has nothing to do with Chick-Fil-A's policies or procedures. Chick-Fil-A is of course listed in the lawsuit for obvious reasons. It was the individual, not the company.
What other proof of Chick-fil-A's blatant bigotry, hatred, misogyny and discriminatory practices do you find irrelevant to your defense of the bigotry, hatred, misogyny and discriminatory practices of Chick-fil-A?
ThinkProgress: Memo To The Media: Chick-fil-A Condemns, Discriminates, And Campaigns Against LGBT People
Here are a couple articles from a year and a half ago:
Dailymail.co.uk: The gay chicken row: Chick-Fil-A's anti-gay stance sparks protest as loyal customers turn on chain
SheWired.com: Fired Georgia Chick-fil-A Employee Sues After Repeatedly Being Told to be a 'Stay Home Mom'
You are totally disregarding my point. I have read ALL those articles and more [Sure you have.] .....furthermore, not anywhere in my posts have I said that Chick-Fil-A is NOT a bigoted, discriminatory run company [She must not have read the “Two Persistent Lies About Chic-fil-A in the Press” post that she copied and pasted from Denny Burke: Bigoted Christian Right-Wing Gay-Bashing Homophobe.]. You took a very simple statement regarding freedom of speech and turned into every issue the company has had since the inception of their business. Some actions I have agreed with and others I certainly have not.....this is not what this post was about. My other point was that I go to businesses based on their products or services, not because of their political agendas, whatever they may be. Like I said....if I choose to buy a chick-filet-a sandwich, it's going to be because it's a delicious fucking sandwich. If you view that as idiocracy, well, then, I'm an idiot. But I have the right to be an idiot.
[Here’s the part in the conversation where I often have to recap the conversation because my opponent claims they didn’t say any of the things they said. I find this part amusing. Sometimes, I even point out that they can scroll up and read their own words that they claim they never typed. That’s even more amusing. This also means the conversation is over, since they have nowhere to go from here. Unless they want to deny once again that they said the things they said. But they’re too tired at this point from twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to be correct. Facts tire people out.]
Ok. But see, here's the problem: That's not at all the point you made by posting that CFA picture. That picture says, in order:
1.) “It’s not hatred to say what you think.” That’s a lie because what CFA thinks about gay people is purely about hatred.
2.) “It is hateful to accuse others of homophobia.” That is a lie because it is not hateful to point out a fact. Just because CFA doesn’t like being called the homophobes that they are, doesn’t mean that it’s hateful. [In other words, “WAAAAH! STOP PERSECUTING US FOR PERSECUTING FAGS! WAAAAAHHH!!!]
3.) “…when that is a blatant lie!” No. It is not a blatant lie pointing out the fact CFA is owned by homophobes and operates on the principle of homophobia and hides their self-righteous bigotry behind the Bible.
4.) “The right to say what you think is just that, a right. To deny that freedom is Fascist!” Nobody denied CFA of expressing their bigotry. Ever. They’ve been doing it for years. But accusing people of being Fascists who believe bigotry is wrong and CFA should stop that practice is just extremist word-salad nonsense. “Fascist” has an actual definition. You can’t use it just to make people seem bad if it has nothing to do with the situation.
So, you see, there is no freedom of speech issue regarding CFA. This picture is nothing but a smoke-and-mirrors deflection of facts and trumped up bullshit that tries to make homophobic bigots look like they’re in the right and civil rights defenders look like assholes. And it has nothing to do with politics. This CFA picture tries to make it an issue of politics by dragging in the First Amendment even though no one’s freedom of speech was prohibited.
Then in your first response, you went off the rails talking about false equivalencies of tolerance and intimidation by politically correct control freaks and shutting down free speech of the opposition and future American totalitarian regimes. Yikes. Talk about utter nonsense. (When George W. Bush corralled First Amendment protected, peaceably assembled protesters within fenced-in cages 10 miles away from his speeches, was he being a politically correct control freak shutting down free speech of the opposition? Or was he just being a patriotic freedom lover? When the NYPD, LAPD, Davis PD, SFPD, and dozens of other police departments beat, gassed, shot, fenced-in and arrested the First Amendment protected, peaceably assembled Occupy protesters and news reporters covering the police brutality, were they politically correct control freaks shutting down free speech of the opposition? Or were they, too just being patriotic freedom lovers?)
Then I said it is a Constitutionally protected right to express bigotry and it is a Constitutionally protected right to express equality. It was just a matter of whose side you stood on. And you had every right to go to CFA if you wanted to because no one was stopping anyone from saying or doing anything.
Then after you clearly expressed your opinion, you accused me of putting words in your mouth because you said you didn’t express your opinion. I did no such thing.
Then you posted what I can only believe was written by the CFA marketing department denying all the intolerant bigoted homophobic things that they, for a well-documented fact, actually do. And then you said that the irrefutable proof to the contrary that I posted was irrelevant.
And in the middle of all that, you posted that you just wanted a chicken sandwich.
So, there you have it. You’re absolutely right. How could I have missed your entire point of just wanting a chicken sandwich.
Can I have a vodka with my chicken sandwich, please? It may help with the headache I have now.
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Christians hide behind the Bible to justify their persecuting of certain people. When people point out that Christians are persecuting people, Christians cry out that it’s Christian persecution.
I don’t think I need to elaborate further, do I? Let’s just move on to the next segment.
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